Join pack member Naomi for this candid catch up with [Jo White](https://www.linkedin.com/in/jo-white-192b8823/ "Jo White") and [Suzanne Rogers](https://www.linkedin.com/in/suzanne-rogers-8921484/), co-founders of [Human Behaviour Change for Life](https://hbcforlife.org/), their journeys have been (by their own admission) “wiggly.” But those winding paths have led them to a shared mission: understanding how human behaviour shapes outcomes for animals, teams, and organisations.
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